I personally am part African-American and part Jewish Ukrainian.
There have been one or two times in my life when I experienced something where racism might possibly have played some small part.
A lot of black people like to use racism as an excuse for anytime they don't get their way. Didn't get the job? Its not because the other candidate had a more relevant degree, its racism. More black people getting pulled over, its not because black youth have less respect for the law and tend to drive obnoxiously, its racism. More blacks in prison, its not a complex issue related to the legacy of slavery, the lack of reparations, inheritance, capitalism, and the accumulation of wealth leading to greater degrees of poverty and lack of education which in turn correlates to a higher crime rate - its just racism.
And American Jews do EXACTLY the same thing.
If anyone condemns the actions of Israel, they are called "anti-Semitic"
Yet these same people condemn the actions of any violent or oppressive government.
The issue here can not be reduced to "these people are right, these people are wrong"
First, Palestinians have no justification for blowing up Israeli citizens.
Second, Israel's reactions to Palestinian attacks is almost always disproportionate and unjustified. I read once in the paper about Israel firing mortars over a wall after some kids threw rocks at Israeli soldiers.
If you deny that Israel often overreacts, or claim it has never done anything wrong, you are just as much full of it as someone who claims the Holocaust wasn't that bad.
Yes we (Jewish people) have been heavily persecuted throughout history.
That does not make us perfect, or saintly, or immune from wrong doing.
History: thousands of years ago, Jews found what is now called Israel and claimed it. At the time a lot of land was not incorporated into any particular country, so this was kind of like Europeans coming to America and claiming it. There were people already living there, but they weren't organised into a country, so in their minds that made it ok.
Then, after Rome took over, and the Jews and Romans had their falling out, Rome took Israel, and as punishment for trying to gain Independence made the country of Palestine and Syria.
Thousand years later, the league of nations (UN) changed it back again.
Obviously no one from the last change was still around, nor their children or grandchildren, so its hard to say if the land was rightfully theirs or not.
Most of the middle east didn't think so.
Egypt was the aggressor in the first war, and in that aspect Israel was in the right.
Israel kicked the crap out of the Arab countries.
But they didn't stop there.
They also took, by force, about26% more than land they had originally be given, (which, as pointed out already, was only semi-legitimate to begin with).
Then, years later in the 6-day war, they did it again.
In terms of international law, this was unjustified.
This is the origin of the Gaza Strip / West Bank conflict. They never were a part of Israel. It is as though the US settled parts of Mexico, and then when the Mexicans attacked the settlers, we started a war over it, and then officially claimed that land (oh, wait, we DID do that).
Before any discussion over whether Israels actions regarding land usage are moral or not, they would have to give back all of the land they claimed in all wars - not just to the green line, but to the original 1947 boarders.
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I personally am part African-American and part Jewish Ukrainian.
There have been one or two times in my life when I experienced something where racism might possibly have played some small part.
A lot of black people like to use racism as an excuse for anytime they don't get their way. Didn't get the job? Its not because the other candidate had a more relevant degree, its racism. More black people getting pulled over, its not because black youth have less respect for the law and tend to drive obnoxiously, its racism. More blacks in prison, its not a complex issue related to the legacy of slavery, the lack of reparations, inheritance, capitalism, and the accumulation of wealth leading to greater degrees of poverty and lack of education which in turn correlates to a higher crime rate - its just racism.
And American Jews do EXACTLY the same thing.
If anyone condemns the actions of Israel, they are called "anti-Semitic"
Yet these same people condemn the actions of any violent or oppressive government.
The issue here can not be reduced to "these people are right, these people are wrong"
First, Palestinians have no justification for blowing up Israeli citizens.
Second, Israel's reactions to Palestinian attacks is almost always disproportionate and unjustified. I read once in the paper about Israel firing mortars over a wall after some kids threw rocks at Israeli soldiers.
If you deny that Israel often overreacts, or claim it has never done anything wrong, you are just as much full of it as someone who claims the Holocaust wasn't that bad.
Yes we (Jewish people) have been heavily persecuted throughout history.
That does not make us perfect, or saintly, or immune from wrong doing.
History: thousands of years ago, Jews found what is now called Israel and claimed it. At the time a lot of land was not incorporated into any particular country, so this was kind of like Europeans coming to America and claiming it. There were people already living there, but they weren't organised into a country, so in their minds that made it ok.
Then, after Rome took over, and the Jews and Romans had their falling out, Rome took Israel, and as punishment for trying to gain Independence made the country of Palestine and Syria.
Thousand years later, the league of nations (UN) changed it back again.
Obviously no one from the last change was still around, nor their children or grandchildren, so its hard to say if the land was rightfully theirs or not.
Most of the middle east didn't think so.
Egypt was the aggressor in the first war, and in that aspect Israel was in the right.
Israel kicked the crap out of the Arab countries.
But they didn't stop there.
They also took, by force, about26% more than land they had originally be given, (which, as pointed out already, was only semi-legitimate to begin with).
Then, years later in the 6-day war, they did it again.
In terms of international law, this was unjustified.
This is the origin of the Gaza Strip / West Bank conflict. They never were a part of Israel. It is as though the US settled parts of Mexico, and then when the Mexicans attacked the settlers, we started a war over it, and then officially claimed that land (oh, wait, we DID do that).
Before any discussion over whether Israels actions regarding land usage are moral or not, they would have to give back all of the land they claimed in all wars - not just to the green line, but to the original 1947 boarders.